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[哲學] X文無法表達抽像概念?小的好懷疑 存在 一種語言可以 完美表達



X文無法表達抽像概念?小的好懷疑 存在 一種語言可以 完美表達

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哥德爾不完備定理



[ 本帖最後由 sealion 於 2020-6-2 02:44 AM 編輯 ]
究竟我們人類 (或至少 uwant 的網友),是否沒有能力在 不標懺化或侮辱他人的情況下理性地討論?
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小的可是唯物科學懷疑實證論存在主義者。

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原帖由 sealion 於 2020-6-2 01:58 AM 發表
哥德爾不完備定理


dont just throw term
single word concepts like "2,4,6, horse, flower" simply wouldn't fall into the domain of Incompleteness, even some of other types do, Incompleteness might just telling the formal system itself, not concepts within the formal system, has its own limited.

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So.....
“Not concepts within system has its own limit”
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存在 完美語言 表達 抽像概念?




究竟我們人類 (或至少 uwant 的網友),是否沒有能力在 不標懺化或侮辱他人的情況下理性地討論?
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小的可是唯物科學懷疑實證論存在主義者。

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原帖由 sealion 於 2020-6-2 01:19 PM 發表
So.....
“Not concepts within system has its own limit”
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存在 完美語言 表達 抽像概念?




if some concepts simply aren't in incompleteness domain, how on earth incompleteness can have some to do with those concepts as to tell you that concepts can't be express perfectly?

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原帖由 danielthedonkey 於 2020-6-2 01:32 PM 發表




if some concepts simply aren't in incompleteness domain, how on earth incompleteness can have some to do with those concepts as to tell you that concepts can't be express perfectly?


It just like there are infinite prime numbers.

Do u need a proper proof of  Godel Incompleteness theory?
U can Google it.
究竟我們人類 (或至少 uwant 的網友),是否沒有能力在 不標懺化或侮辱他人的情況下理性地討論?
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小的可是唯物科學懷疑實證論存在主義者。

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原帖由 sealion 於 2020-6-2 01:43 PM 發表
It just like there are infinite prime numbers.

Do u need a proper proof of  Godel Incompleteness theory?
U can Google it.

seems like Incompleteness in your mind is sooooo much big that can cover a whole universe...
wondering if it could cover itself

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原帖由 danielthedonkey 於 2020-6-2 01:57 PM 發表

seems like Incompleteness in your mind is sooooo much big that can cover a whole universe...
wondering if it could cover itself



Did I say it “cover"?

I say there is always a "hole"!
There is no PERFECT language.

By the way,
打個唔嚴格的比喻:唔须要完美的视力去发现视力係唔完美。

[ 本帖最後由 sealion 於 2020-6-2 05:26 PM 編輯 ]
究竟我們人類 (或至少 uwant 的網友),是否沒有能力在 不標懺化或侮辱他人的情況下理性地討論?
-----
小的可是唯物科學懷疑實證論存在主義者。

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原帖由 sealion 於 2020-6-2 04:59 PM 發表

Did I say it “cover"?

I say there is always a "hole"!
There is no PERFECT language.

By the way,
打個唔嚴格的比喻:唔须要完美的视力去发现视力係唔完美。


你既 insight 係勁既
抽像概念,例如數字 "1,2,3,..." 的確唔完美,
in sense 唔可以用佢地黎做煮飯食 system。
my brain hole big open lor。

[ 本帖最後由 danielthedonkey 於 2020-6-3 02:53 PM 編輯 ]




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It is like the case that we know a cube has six sides, but our eyes at most can only see three sides of a cube, and then we know our limitations of our eyesight.

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