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[海外升學] science grad,準備去德國留學,應該second bachelor cs定master of science好



science grad,準備去德國留學,應該second bachelor cs定master of science好

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是咁的,本身我係三大science second up
因為本身去過德國exchange識德文 (TestDaF全部滿分),又因為德國教育免費,所以就報咗嗰邊幾個degree:
(前題:想係歐洲搵工,唔想搞學術研究,唔想讀PhD,德文算ok流利,但有進步空間)

1. 哥廷根大學physics master,收左我,主要係computational方面既嘢 (computational fluid dynamics, neuroscience, etc.),concentration biophysics & complex systems
Program information/regulations:
https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/version+am+i+08/06.03.2017/558822.html
Course catalogue:
https://www.uni-goettingen.de/en/version+am+ii+04/07.03.2017/558823.html
其實我都有興趣讀既,但問題呢堆嘢對外國人搵工有冇用,係疑問 ...
根據德國薪酬統計讀pure science係非常高薪,有時甚至比工程高
但呢啲工好多時係比較general既banking sector同consultancies
會唔會咁易請外國人,我真係唔知

2. RWTH Aachen亞琛工業大學既cs bachelor,都收左我
Program information:
http://www.rwth-aachen.de/cms/root/Studium/Vor-dem-Studium/Studiengaenge/Liste-Aktuelle-Studiengaenge/Studiengangbeschreibung/~bnzs/Informatik-B-Sc-/?lidx=1
Course catalogue:
https://www.campus.rwth-aachen.de/rwth/all/subfields.asp?field=Informatik+%28B%2ESc%2E%29&group=Bachelor+of+Science+%28B%2ESc%2E%29&tguid=0x0C459501268AC043A64ED1E2F7FA6BEF
呢間嘢可能香港人比較少聽,但係喺德國工業界呢間大學係同慕尼黑工大等等齊名既名校 (尤其mechanical engineering,但cs都位列德國頭3),不過非常難捱
其實我本身係想報mech eng多少少,本身我又有phy底,而mech eng亦係德國同呢間大學既真正強項
但係又要捱多個bachelor唔知值唔值得
據大陸論壇班留德學生經驗,德國學士係比碩士難捱,RWTH更加係大boss,grad rate可以得兩三成
但因為德國勞動市場比較排外,一般只有cs同engine易搵工
physics呢啲科雖然當地好高薪,但外國人搵唔搵到工成疑問
我睇過好多大陸人留德討論,RWTH Aachen勁唔只勁在個知名度,而係在於佢同德國工業界既聯繫
好多德國工業工程界公司高層都係RWTH又或者TUM呢啲學校出身,係招聘過程會偏向同校 (就算係外國人),有啲似政府AO又或者某啲大公司鍾意請HKU生既情況
甚至唔會公開招人,而係直接去呢啲學校招人
啲Counselors有料,知行情,會導你點樣去建立自己想做既specialized skills既經驗,累積優勢
但問題係,RWTH Aachen真係出左名讀bachelor係好很好很辛苦

3. Ulm University既Wirtschaftsphysik物理經濟學碩士,仲未收到offer
Program information (德文):
https://www.uni-ulm.de/nawi/physik/studierende/studium/masterstudiengaenge/wirtschaftsphysik-msc0/
Course catalogue (德文):
https://www.uni-ulm.de/fileadmin/website_uni_ulm/nawi.physik/dateien/studium/mhb_wirtschaftsphysik_msc.pdf
成個課程基本上係master of quantitative finance + 一堆ug econ/business
呢個課程太過冷門同獨特,連德國人自己都好少聽過,就業出路成疑
但課程內容似係搵食科嚟,專畀sci人轉去finance/business sector
不過同哥廷根個offer一樣,請唔請外國人,係問題

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除非你想轉入去一門專業,例如醫生或者律師,否則千祈唔好重讀學士。四年青春就咁嘥咗,回報又細,而且未必學以致用,實在太大風險。

三間學校之中,本來亞琛H名氣最高(全德國頭五位)。你話「想係歐洲搵工」,咁佢係 TU9 H一份子,將來嚮德國揾工一定唔使愁。不過搞到要重讀學士,我就唔讚成嘞。

物理碩士本來唔錯,但你話「唔想搞學術研究,唔想讀PhD」,咁即係代表哥廷根唔去得,因為讀物理預備讀上博士,等如學術自殺。

剩低最合理H選擇,就係 Ulm 。三間之中,呢間H歷史最短,全國排名亦只有三四十左右,但嚮全㺷新興學校(成立五十年以內)當中,佢排到前三分一左右。以呢個級數嚟講,都算係新興名校,相等於香港城大,將來出嚟揾工都唔會有問題。最大好處係讀 econophysics 只需要讀到碩士。第一份工多數做 fintech (金融科技),亦即係幫人寫炒股、炒輪H程式。萬一留唔到喺德國,返香港都有條後路,雖然嚮香港H選擇都唔多。即使你將來決定唔入金融界,以 Ulm H名氣,夠你嚮德國H IT 界揾過另一份工。

青春苦短,銀両有限。凡事請三思而後行。到最後,人生係你自己H,最緊要睇你自己個心想點。工你一定會揾到,但如果入去你唔係真係想做H行業,就無論份工幾易揾,都唔適合你。讀書都係一樣道理。






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原帖由 填不盡 於 2017-8-8 08:54 PM 發表
除非你想轉入去一門專業,例如醫生或者律師,否則千祈唔好重讀學士。四年青春就咁嘥咗,回報又細,而且未必學以致用,實在太大風險。

三間學校之中,本來亞琛H名氣最高(全德國頭五位)。你話「想係 ...
唔該晒,明白。不過其實本身我喺亞琛想報既並唔係CS,而係佢強項既機械工程,不過因為某啲申請程序出錯搞到我冇辦法報呢科。你覺得如果以呢科為目標而重讀學士,會唔會比較划算?本身呢科我亦都相當有興趣,亦都係專科,有諗過去到Aachen之後第一個學期修機械再轉科,再加埋本身我物理學士底可以試下waive埋部份數學同物理course。
Wirtschaftsphysik當然我亦有慎重考慮,但始終到今日為止依然未收到offer,催佢地又唔應我機,都要先係哥廷根、Aachen同埋暫時唔去住(返一年工儲錢)之間做一個決定。但係咁,你覺得如果我讀物理碩士期間自修Ulm課程既quan fin (Ökonophysik/econophysics)部份,或者金融數學,可唔可行?起碼哥廷根個program算係大路既物理學同大量computational訓練同埋research(做project實踐訓練computational skills)既機會,而金融方面既discipline knowledge似乎有好多數理學生都係自己自修返嚟。 (Ulm另一個缺點係佢所在既聯邦州份要交學費,雖然唔多,1500歐一學期)
另外都有諗過如果最後Ulm收我,試下take多啲financial math嗰邊既課程再試下插班第二個學期去LMU financial math甚至ETH睇下可唔可行。
唉我都知我十五十六太多諗頭,本身我又對好多嘢都有啲興趣,興趣唔專一,都幾頭痛。

[ 本帖最後由 Aachener 於 2017-8-10 12:05 AM 編輯 ]




你一開始冇報機械工程,而家就唔好再諗。香港好多人會以為「讀住先」再轉系係好容易H事,但實情未必有咁簡單。

即使你可以嚮三年、甚至乎兩年內畢業,你都只得到多一個學士學位。將來你睇下你嚮香港班舊同學,個個已經做嘢賺緊錢,又或者咧儥茪h,但你仍然係一個冇工作經驗H學士仔,嗰陣你就會明白,威躨リh其實唔係咁盞。

唔好唔記得:咧儩リh之後,你仲要去做見習先至咧鴗u程師專業資格。其實你H實質投資,係唔止三四年。

我原先以為 Ulm 已經收咗你。如果只得哥廷根收,咁都冇辦法,唯有焗住上。入去之後,話自己想做 computational physics ,修多啲電腦科,畢業之後去投資銀行應徵做「quant」囉。美國好多讀物理H人都係行呢條路。

我啲朋友讀完 fin maths ,覺得太過理論化,學唔到嘢。其實如果你有本事自學 stochastic integral ,你已經學識三分一個課程。我個人就覺得冇必要特登轉系入去讀。






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唔該晒師兄既意見,而家我依然等緊Ulm既offer,所以都冇乜辦法落到最後決定,如果一個星期之內佢再唔出結果,我諗應該都會take哥廷根既offer
今日我返咗去搵professor,佢畀咗一個喺德國讀完Physik既Diplom (讀得Diplom應該都有返咁上下年紀啦),再喺香港讀complex network physics PhD,而家喺大中華地區做consultant既德國人資料畀我
佢畀咗以下既意見我:

關於讀PhD:
In Germany, doing really tough stuff in university for the sake of doing it is the equivalent of an American going to Yale. Our current chancellor has a PhD in Physical Chemistry. Probably not too much in transferable skill in there, given her current role. If you go this route, make sure though to pick up some practical stuff on the side (maybe a React or AI nanodegree from Udacity?), and you will be all set.

關於Ulm既Wirtschaftsphysik:
Not so obscure entirely  I took a class there as a distance learning student when I was doing my Diplom in Konstanz. The course is pretty well known in the finance industry (which then, however, is not Germany's most important industry). My first employer recruited heavily from there

關於RWTH Aachen同CS:
Aachen is an excellent school. My sister did her PhD in material science there. But - this is tough stuff. Especially this
>> especially CS can be self-studied.
is completely untrue. You can self-study programming a website in PHP. Maybe even building your own app. At Aachen, you'll be learning to build your own compiler, and formally prove efficiency of algorithms. Self-studying this is no easier than self-studying Quantum Mechanics.

關於德國教育:
Whats most important here is what you have passion for. German academia can be outrageously theory-heavy. In my math undergrad courses I had to prove that if there is a left-neutral element of multiplication (i.e., 1 * x = x), that the same element is also the right-neutral element of multiplication (i.e., x * 1 = 1). You will probably see that there is little practical use of this as a physicist. The idea is to train the mind more than to teach the mind. As a result, I graduated as a Diplom-Physiker without ever have learned how a laser works in class. _That_ you're supposed to learn yourself

關於second bachelor:
Dual degrees are generally perceived as at least equivalent to the next higher one.

總結:
All three of your options are excellent and if you learn to speak German, then all three of them will allow you to easily find a job thereafter. What you need to consider is
- time: you won't be earning money while at uni, but the longer program will allow you a greater command of German
- passion: Some of this stuff is tough. Really tough. You need to really be behind what you're studying to make it.



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不過另外我都仲有一個考慮未提:流動性
似乎cs/engineering既流動性會比另外兩個選擇強?
意思係,萬一有一日我想喺第二到搵工,唔想留喺德國或者某個eu國家
有cs/engineering呢類專業技能,提供畀我既可能性同埋自由度應該會大過一個physics或者finance類既pg degree






啱啱收到Ulm既錄取





德國唔係英聯邦,佢地H工程師資格嚮香港未必承認。

電腦就分得冇咁仔細。

淨睇牌面就 Ulm 最適合你。不過你連個網名都改埋做 Aachener ,又連個標題都講咗 second bachelor 先。你H心水都呼之欲出喇。自己考慮清楚,做一個自己唔會後悔H決定啦。




師兄好觀察力,呢個的確係我最初既意向。不過呢咁多日嚟反覆思量同問過好多人意見,我相信Ulm既program係值得一試。上面提到既德國人亦明確提到係德國financial industry呢個program其實係幾出名。我諗我應該會去Ulm
雖然單以興趣同環境嚟計我鍾意哥廷根個program多啲,不過我搞咗咁耐都係想就業條路穩定啲,所以應該會試下Ulm先
不過對我個人嚟講,Ulm既挑戰應該會大過Goettingen,因為(1)德文教學+口試(不過同時呢個係我練習德文增加就業優勢既機會)同埋(2)呢個係conditional offer,如果第一年pass唔到某兩個business同econ (德文教學)既course就要退學,加上有學費壓力。不過有時啲嘢都冇計。



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毋須過慮。商科同經濟學所用H德文都好現代化。我都學過德文,三個月已經睇得明普通教科書。佢地所用H數學,根本可能難倒工科生或者理科生。想穩陣啲,叫香港速遞兩本雞精書過嚟,乜都搞得掂!

以後就祝君好運喇。



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